The manufacturers have officially reversed the labor time reductions for these engine replacement campaigns. This shift reflects the collective insistence that technicians deserve fair compensation for the complexity of this work. Please remain diligent in ensuring these revised standards are applied consistently across all service departments.
January 5, 2021
restore fair labor times for Kia's PI1803/PI802 and Hyundai's T3G engine replacement campaigns
Final supporters
With the newly released 4th revision of Kia's PI1803 and PI1802, and Hyundai's T3G engine recall campaigns, the new paid labor times have been slashed from what they used to be according to the new Kia Warranty Bulletin 2020-27. Engine replacements used to pay roughly 8.1hrs to 8.8hrs depending on tests done/model/engine type. Now, the labor times have been dropped to as low as only 5.6hrs, with most engine replacement times being 5.8hrs-6.5hrs, with the absolutely highest paid engine replacement with any combination of situation/model/engine type being 7.9hrs (turbo sportage AWD Check Oil + No Crank + TL PWA for Engine R&R + Software Update). Kia/KMA and Hyundai have been dropping labor times for different repairs here and there for a while now, most notably the KDS operation times, but this is just going too far and being too unreasonable. This petition is to make Kia/KMA/ Hyundai restore our previous engine replacement labor times back to a fair amount of labor time.
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Reached 1,000 supporters
November 20, 2020
November 18, 2020
Watching the signature count rise toward one thousand reminds me that technicians across the country are facing the same frustration regarding these unsustainable labor times. We have reached a point where our collective experience is becoming impossible for the manufacturers to ignore. Please consider sending this petition to a colleague today so we can enter our next round of advocacy with the strongest possible showing.
Reached 100 supporters
November 14, 2020
675 Comments
just did a short block on a forte. alldata paid 20 hours customer pay. kias warranty is 9.7 hours.. how can anyone justify this? i would say its just greed on kias part.. they are prolly realizing how much its actually costing them and having recall remorse
It's not the fault of the technician these engines are failing in record numbers. It's insane to think Hyundai's plan to stop the hemorrhage of money is to gut the technicians check. Not fix the problem BEFORE nearly 3 million faulty engines hit the streets.
Been there...warranty labor times are atrocious. They factor them by timing a tech to do the work on a brand new vehicle with all necessary tools and equipment right next to them. No real life studies on vehicles with 100,000 miles and frozen bolts etc.
Labor time should go up the more the cars age, rust, corrosion, aftermarket parts should all be factored in. We already have to meet warranty times longer than all other brands having a 10yr 100k. They reap the benefits for our lost income.
I've been a flat rate technician since 1978. Have never seen such bad labor times. Kia keeps demanding more hoops to jump through for less and less pay. I feel like they are just making it easier for them to start bouncing claims. You get what you pay for.
Pay these techs what they deserve!
Stop penalizing us for being efficient we spent thousands on tools to be able to beat the time and come up but with these times we are barely braking even. A new tech struggles to make any money until they do the same engines 3 or 4 times so they can learn the procedure.
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The manufacturers have officially reversed the labor time reductions for these engine replacement campaigns. This shift reflects the collective insistence that technicians deserve fair compensation for the complexity of this work. Please remain diligent in ensuring these revised standards are applied consistently across all service departments.
January 5, 2021
restore fair labor times for Kia's PI1803/PI802 and Hyundai's T3G engine replacement campaigns
Final supporters
With the newly released 4th revision of Kia's PI1803 and PI1802, and Hyundai's T3G engine recall campaigns, the new paid labor times have been slashed from what they used to be according to the new Kia Warranty Bulletin 2020-27. Engine replacements used to pay roughly 8.1hrs to 8.8hrs depending on tests done/model/engine type. Now, the labor times have been dropped to as low as only 5.6hrs, with most engine replacement times being 5.8hrs-6.5hrs, with the absolutely highest paid engine replacement with any combination of situation/model/engine type being 7.9hrs (turbo sportage AWD Check Oil + No Crank + TL PWA for Engine R&R + Software Update). Kia/KMA and Hyundai have been dropping labor times for different repairs here and there for a while now, most notably the KDS operation times, but this is just going too far and being too unreasonable. This petition is to make Kia/KMA/ Hyundai restore our previous engine replacement labor times back to a fair amount of labor time.
Updates
Reached 1,000 supporters
November 20, 2020
November 18, 2020
Watching the signature count rise toward one thousand reminds me that technicians across the country are facing the same frustration regarding these unsustainable labor times. We have reached a point where our collective experience is becoming impossible for the manufacturers to ignore. Please consider sending this petition to a colleague today so we can enter our next round of advocacy with the strongest possible showing.
Reached 100 supporters
November 14, 2020
675 Comments
I work at colonial Kia va057, my main source of income is based off of engine replacements. I’ve been a master tech almost 5 years been with the company almost 9.... this a great way to lose good techs and have bad surveys. You get what you pay for
just did a short block on a forte. alldata paid 20 hours customer pay. kias warranty is 9.7 hours.. how can anyone justify this? i would say its just greed on kias part.. they are prolly realizing how much its actually costing them and having recall remorse
It's not the fault of the technician these engines are failing in record numbers. It's insane to think Hyundai's plan to stop the hemorrhage of money is to gut the technicians check. Not fix the problem BEFORE nearly 3 million faulty engines hit the streets.
Been there...warranty labor times are atrocious. They factor them by timing a tech to do the work on a brand new vehicle with all necessary tools and equipment right next to them. No real life studies on vehicles with 100,000 miles and frozen bolts etc.
Labor time should go up the more the cars age, rust, corrosion, aftermarket parts should all be factored in. We already have to meet warranty times longer than all other brands having a 10yr 100k. They reap the benefits for our lost income.
I've been a flat rate technician since 1978. Have never seen such bad labor times. Kia keeps demanding more hoops to jump through for less and less pay. I feel like they are just making it easier for them to start bouncing claims. You get what you pay for.
Pay these techs what they deserve!
Stop penalizing us for being efficient we spent thousands on tools to be able to beat the time and come up but with these times we are barely braking even. A new tech struggles to make any money until they do the same engines 3 or 4 times so they can learn the procedure.
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I work at colonial Kia va057, my main source of income is based off of engine replacements. I’ve been a master tech almost 5 years been with the company almost 9.... this a great way to lose good techs and have bad surveys. You get what you pay for