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We, the undersigned, hereby request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the rule changes proposed below for the following reasons:
The buck doe ratio is way off and we are leaders in the state for killing yearling deer, we have alot of doe being bred late that will result in more fawn mortality ,we need change that is going to make the herd strong and give us more bucks, we dont have to re invent the wheel here there has been a number of studys done and put into effect that fix the buck doe ratio in other places which make for less fawn deaths and a healthier herd which in effect will make hunters happy, here is a large groups ideas on what will make this a great state to hunt in again.
We request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the rule changes proposed bellow for the following reasons:
Changing rifle season to a later date will allow more deer to breed and reduce fawn mortality.This will produce more deer and give hunters more opportunities.
Changing muzzle loader season to an earlier date would reduce populations by removing doe before the winter months. why feed a deer for 2 months and then kill it? this will give other deer more food to get them through the winter, as well as not waste a bucks energy on a doe that is going to get shot anyways, and will help get doe bred in the time frame needed so we have less fawn mortality and allow the doe left to build necessary fat reserves to stay healthy through the winter months into breeding season.
A three point rule would help to repair a poor buck to doe ratio, creating more competition among bucks during the rut as well as get more doe bred in the right time frame so we have less fawn mortality. This will also provide a better hunting experience as hunters will see and hear more rut activity, such as rubs, scrapes, grunting and sparring. Rattling and grunting will also be more effective. There will be more bucks in reserve to breed at later dates. Currently, we kill off much of the breeding stock before they can breed a doe. Vermont is a leader in killing young bucks. Far too many are killed each year, rapidly decreasing the population. This rule change could produce a drop in kill numbers in the first season, however, numbers are expected to rebound in the following seasons. Many other states have implemented similar rules with great success.
Proposed changes:
Seasons:
1. We would like Youth weekend to start around the last weekend in September. It shall be two days. During this time one deer per youth may be taken. The deer may be either sex and there are no minimum points.
2. We would like Archery Season to start around October 1 and continue through the end of rifle season. During this season one buck may be taken and one doe may be taken with each antlerless license, this should add 7 days to the end of the season .
3. We would like Muzzle loader season to begin two weeks past the beginning of archery season and shall last a total of nine days. During this time one buck may be taken and one or two doe may be taken with the required antlerless license.
4. We would like Rifle season for buck only to begin on the the week of Thanksgiving and shall last a total of 16 days. During this time one buck may be taken.
Rules:
1. Each hunter may take one buck per year, with a limit of three deer total.
2. Each buck taken must have a minimum of three legal points on one side.
By our signatures below, we hereby request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the changes proposed herein.
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We need a major change in our deer management practices in Vermont. Adopting the changes outlined in this petition would improve deer hunting in Vermont.
i think this petition has merit,and the issue brought up are valid.
We need a change here in Vermont.
i have put a ton of research for years in this , it isnt rocket science and we dont have to re invent the wheel, if we take the spike rule out we go backwards and will have a huge leap in kills the irst year then we will be back to where we are now and then decline because we wont have those bucks in reserve to help do the breeding, 3 point rule will help even more with that along with rifle season being moved up a few weeks allowoing even more bucks to breed doe before the bucks killed, a farmer doent kill off 80% of his breeding stock before they get to breed or he would be out of buisness, many deer dont get recovered in rifle or muzzloader either and probably more so then bow ,thats just slob hunters who dont put in time to practice or even recover the animal, i have hunted pa a long time and have no problem telling if a bucks legal or not with a 3 point rule, if you cant you have no buisness hunting, and the few you might not be able to id entify you shouldnt be shooting at them anyways that is just bad ethics period
Here we go we are all biologist! I think that the spikehorn rule should be gone. The bow season should be one deer early season one deer late season if not just deer with a bow. The tag should be bow/muzzle loader. No doe permits, if you need some doe's taken you open that zone to bow/muzzle during their seasons. Some zones could be antlerless only some zones could be either sex that would be up to the biologist. No more ten dollar permits, then I would think that the fish and game where trying to manage the heard and not just sell it!! I have not wanted to say this to where the anti's could use it but it's time. I bow hunted for many years enjoyed the hell out of it. But the truth is way to many deer do not get recovered when hit with an arrow, and the survival rate is about zero now with all the coyote's. How do you count that into your management? To many spikes are being shot by mistake that would have been tagged and that hunter out of the woods. ( just ask the wardens how many spikes they pick up) I walk stock and track I hunted Vt. last season and saw two bucks in the woods I did not see them long enough to count points, so I will not hunt Vt. again until the restriction changes where I can choose not to shoot a spike (not you telling me I can't) the last spike I passed on I shot a 195lb. 8 pointer ten minutes later that would have lived to breed another day if I had taken the spike! Think about It!! Oh and sitting in a heated shack over a food plot is not hunting it is harvesting their is a difference!
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We, the undersigned, hereby request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the rule changes proposed below for the following reasons:
The buck doe ratio is way off and we are leaders in the state for killing yearling deer, we have alot of doe being bred late that will result in more fawn mortality ,we need change that is going to make the herd strong and give us more bucks, we dont have to re invent the wheel here there has been a number of studys done and put into effect that fix the buck doe ratio in other places which make for less fawn deaths and a healthier herd which in effect will make hunters happy, here is a large groups ideas on what will make this a great state to hunt in again.
We request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the rule changes proposed bellow for the following reasons:
Changing rifle season to a later date will allow more deer to breed and reduce fawn mortality.This will produce more deer and give hunters more opportunities.
Changing muzzle loader season to an earlier date would reduce populations by removing doe before the winter months. why feed a deer for 2 months and then kill it? this will give other deer more food to get them through the winter, as well as not waste a bucks energy on a doe that is going to get shot anyways, and will help get doe bred in the time frame needed so we have less fawn mortality and allow the doe left to build necessary fat reserves to stay healthy through the winter months into breeding season.
A three point rule would help to repair a poor buck to doe ratio, creating more competition among bucks during the rut as well as get more doe bred in the right time frame so we have less fawn mortality. This will also provide a better hunting experience as hunters will see and hear more rut activity, such as rubs, scrapes, grunting and sparring. Rattling and grunting will also be more effective. There will be more bucks in reserve to breed at later dates. Currently, we kill off much of the breeding stock before they can breed a doe. Vermont is a leader in killing young bucks. Far too many are killed each year, rapidly decreasing the population. This rule change could produce a drop in kill numbers in the first season, however, numbers are expected to rebound in the following seasons. Many other states have implemented similar rules with great success.
Proposed changes:
Seasons:
1. We would like Youth weekend to start around the last weekend in September. It shall be two days. During this time one deer per youth may be taken. The deer may be either sex and there are no minimum points.
2. We would like Archery Season to start around October 1 and continue through the end of rifle season. During this season one buck may be taken and one doe may be taken with each antlerless license, this should add 7 days to the end of the season .
3. We would like Muzzle loader season to begin two weeks past the beginning of archery season and shall last a total of nine days. During this time one buck may be taken and one or two doe may be taken with the required antlerless license.
4. We would like Rifle season for buck only to begin on the the week of Thanksgiving and shall last a total of 16 days. During this time one buck may be taken.
Rules:
1. Each hunter may take one buck per year, with a limit of three deer total.
2. Each buck taken must have a minimum of three legal points on one side.
By our signatures below, we hereby request that the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife make the changes proposed herein.
6 Comments
all that purposal is going to do is even the buck to doe ratio out,will not increase our deer herd at all. if to many doe in an area for the buck to doe ratio have to shoot them to balance it out. it could be posable to have a smaller herd than we do now
We need a major change in our deer management practices in Vermont. Adopting the changes outlined in this petition would improve deer hunting in Vermont.
i think this petition has merit,and the issue brought up are valid.
We need a change here in Vermont.
i have put a ton of research for years in this , it isnt rocket science and we dont have to re invent the wheel, if we take the spike rule out we go backwards and will have a huge leap in kills the irst year then we will be back to where we are now and then decline because we wont have those bucks in reserve to help do the breeding, 3 point rule will help even more with that along with rifle season being moved up a few weeks allowoing even more bucks to breed doe before the bucks killed, a farmer doent kill off 80% of his breeding stock before they get to breed or he would be out of buisness, many deer dont get recovered in rifle or muzzloader either and probably more so then bow ,thats just slob hunters who dont put in time to practice or even recover the animal, i have hunted pa a long time and have no problem telling if a bucks legal or not with a 3 point rule, if you cant you have no buisness hunting, and the few you might not be able to id entify you shouldnt be shooting at them anyways that is just bad ethics period
Here we go we are all biologist! I think that the spikehorn rule should be gone. The bow season should be one deer early season one deer late season if not just deer with a bow. The tag should be bow/muzzle loader. No doe permits, if you need some doe's taken you open that zone to bow/muzzle during their seasons. Some zones could be antlerless only some zones could be either sex that would be up to the biologist. No more ten dollar permits, then I would think that the fish and game where trying to manage the heard and not just sell it!! I have not wanted to say this to where the anti's could use it but it's time. I bow hunted for many years enjoyed the hell out of it. But the truth is way to many deer do not get recovered when hit with an arrow, and the survival rate is about zero now with all the coyote's. How do you count that into your management? To many spikes are being shot by mistake that would have been tagged and that hunter out of the woods. ( just ask the wardens how many spikes they pick up) I walk stock and track I hunted Vt. last season and saw two bucks in the woods I did not see them long enough to count points, so I will not hunt Vt. again until the restriction changes where I can choose not to shoot a spike (not you telling me I can't) the last spike I passed on I shot a 195lb. 8 pointer ten minutes later that would have lived to breed another day if I had taken the spike! Think about It!! Oh and sitting in a heated shack over a food plot is not hunting it is harvesting their is a difference!
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all that purposal is going to do is even the buck to doe ratio out,will not increase our deer herd at all. if to many doe in an area for the buck to doe ratio have to shoot them to balance it out. it could be posable to have a smaller herd than we do now